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Eric Miltsch said in July 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Joe,

Very cool find…as an ex broker/trader myself - I love it.

Dale - what’s your take on it? Ever seen this before?

Eric

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charles corson said in July 10th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

I concur with Eric; very interesting data. All goes well with you and Todd I trust?

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Joe Pistell said in July 13th, 2008 at 8:06 am

The stock market is a forward looking marketplace and we’re clearly in a full blown bear market. My proprietary Bull-Bear indicator went from Bull to Bear in early Jan 2008. Crude broke thru $100 a bbl 30 days later.

Funny how all the markets inter-connect ;-)

Joe

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Joe Pistell said in July 13th, 2008 at 8:29 am

Hi Eric, Charles, Dale and the group.
This discovery connects directly with Dale’s newest post “45 to Thrive”. How does this all tie into day to day operations?

If the Manheim Index is rising (as seen in the S&P500), business is good, Inventory aging is important, but not mission critical. You can easily get away with “don’t worry, we’ll sell it, there’s an ass for every seat”. Used vehicle market prices are consistent and the marketplace is liquid (lots of players at the auctions) and business overall is doing fine.

In a bear market, everything is different.
Everyone will work twice as hard for half the pay because EVERYTHING is killing profits. Floor traffic is lower causing fewer turns (and we all know what fewer turns does to the operation). You’ll be taking shorter deals because you need to feed your starving reps, plus you’ll need to turn the unit to keep your inventory marked to market (so the phone will ring!!). Interest expenses are higher and higher interest rates dampen demand.

Can it get any worse?
Just when you need to off a unit at auction that wont sell, this market causes competitors begin to thin out which make the auctions become less liquid so supply and demand have a hard time finding each other.

Is there a silver lining here?
Yes, but it depends on what team your on. There are 2 types of Used Car players… The Leaders and The Laggards. In a strange way, The Leaders welcome a bear market because in good times both players make money, but Bear markets kill weaker competitors and cause Leaders to re-evaluate every nook and cranny on the balance sheet. Bear markets always come to an end and the leader is lean and mean!

During the bear market, The Leaders are marked to market, taking slim deals, turning that inventory and stealing market share. Laggards see it all, yet sit on their hands. Laggards hate to take a loss so they spread their pain out over months and months and hope for things to get better.

Are we ready to Rumble?!? Get prepared, White water is ahead!

Joe

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