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Tom Stanley said in June 5th, 2008 at 7:56 am

I was on Yahoo and found your blog. Read a few of your other posts. Good work. I am looking forward to reading more from you in the future.

Tom Stanley

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ruggles said in June 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Dale,

This is really good stuff. I remember back in the day a Ford dealer friend of mine bought a bunch of
Chevy Vegas for a bargain price from a rental company in Florida. The Vegas will give you an idea how long ago this was. I thought he was crazy. But he retailed them fast at low prices, quick turns, and substantial F&I and wholesaled the rest through his own auction and others. He wasn’t guided by technology in those days, but took a chance. More common examples would be a Pontiac dealer friend who bought a quantity of GEO PRIZMS and blew them out in 60 days. He could do warranty work on them and didn’t have to pay a premium for recon parts as they could be sourced through GM.

But there are some questions that arise in this new day and age. First, there is still the OEM’s focus on CPO. Second, if all dealers were using
the same technology, wouldn’t all dealers be pursuing the same “fast moving” vehicles thereby driving up the price of those vehicles. At the same time, there would be a cap on what they could be sold for so wouldn’t there be a minimal profit available even though the theoretical turn would be fast?

As it pertains to efficient markets, there has been a lot of talk over the years about the Efficient Market Hypothesis (EFH) as it regards the stock market. There are those who think investors should buy SPYDERS to take advantage of the long term rise in the stock market as they believe the stock market is too “efficient” to allow for one to consistently “beat the market”
over time. Yet, there are the Warren Buffets who
consistently do.

In addition, there is another significant difference between the stock market and the pre-owned market. In the pre-owned market there are stil those who can buy at wholesale (dealers) and those who can’t (consumers).

I know you study this stuff a lot and am really interested in your take! With our Arbitrage product we understand that if all dealers had it and used it, it would “move the market” and increased wholesale prices caused by market demand would reduce the arbitrage opportunity on the pre-owned lease. The good news is that there would be other opportunities rise up to take its place. Currently the depressed prices on pre-owned SUVs and trucks haven’t been commensurately reflected in the residuals offered by the lease lenders so there are many vehicles out there with minimal depreciation to be calculated into a lease. Of course, these vehicles may not be categorized as “fast turn” in the market, even though I can turn them fast for a really low payment on a short term, with the lender taking the residual risk. But then I have always had a little of the “contrarian” in me.

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George Marijan said in June 9th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

Funny, I worked for a dealer group that would acquire any franchise just so they can have the credibility and finance sources to sell exotic used cars, because that was their “core inventory”.
This is another article that proves one irrefutable truth and that is the car business was for the longest time literally upside down.
The so called “rules” (which are so many, by the way) that old-timers are constantly telling us about are simply, non-existent.

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Dale Pollak said in June 10th, 2008 at 8:51 am

David,

Did you sit up late and drink too much coffee? Honestly, I’ve attempted to make a response on three different occasions and got interrupted. Soon, I plan on writing a piece, under separate title, that addresses your points. Thanks for being an active contributor.

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Dale Pollak said in June 10th, 2008 at 8:58 am

George,

Thanks for the contribution.

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ruggles said in June 12th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Dale,

Actually, I am in Japan doing my annual seminar here. This is my 16th year. My client is one of the world’s largest privately owned Toyota Dealer Group with 96 dealerships. I’m introducing some of your concepts here as they fit better than some of my own… leasing isn’t broadly viable here. The time zone difference might explain the time stamp on my posts.

We should put our heads together as there seems to be a need for your technology here in Japan, although the franchised dealers are so focused on selling new, they view pre-owned as a necessary evil. There are some forward thinking pre-owned guys here though, and they seem to have their own web community.

The fact that SUVs and light trucks are at market lows and ALG has not dropped to the same degree presents unbelievable opportunity in pre-owned leasing. Of course, there are OEMs and banks taking huge hits on leases coming due now. But the Arbitrage lease opportunities are at historical highs!

Of course, I was a guy in the 70s buying fleet Chevrolets at large auctions, re-detailing them, adding a pinstripe and beauty rings, and re-wholesaling them at smaller auctions for a few hundred profit per… so now you know why I think the way I do. My first car sale in 1970 was actually a lease… years before showroom leasing where lenders guaranteed the LEV. I was an original GECAL guy… we went to the auction with our GECAL residual guide to buy vehicles as close to the 24 month residual as possible… then took them back to the store to market them for payments no one else could touch.

So now you know “The rest of the story!

I also apologize for my numerous typos as I think better than I type, especially in the middle of the night.

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SonEndoldmagE said in November 21st, 2008 at 2:43 am

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Edgennyneri said in November 21st, 2008 at 3:22 am

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