Running out of cars

by dpollak on 01/28/2009 · View Comments

While the herd of old-school buyers have been on a feeding frenzy, there has been a minority of dealers watching from the sidelines in amazement.  They are now wondering how long the frothy wholesale buying mentality can last.  Below you’ll find examples of a few such dealers and my advice.

Example 1:

Dale

I would appreciate your thoughts on the current wholesale values; your previous comments to Mike stated you predicted the market will take a down turn in the near future.

My questions are this.

Do you still believe the market will drop and if so how soon?

Do you think values will be comparable to fall 08(how far)?

Personally I am taken back by how fast the market is rising, and am a bit concerned that the retail market won’t support the current whole sale values.

I am going to be forced to pay current market right now as we are running out of inventory in some segments. This is a happy problem! Having been in this situation before, I don’t want to sacrifice too much gross as our sales team and customer get adjusted to new and improved prices.

Your feed back is important to me as I decide how to  play the next couple of months either extremely close to the vest for the next bit of time or buy a little deeper if cost are going to continue to climb.

Example 2:

Hi Dale,

I hope you can find the time to take a look at this. Im really struggling with trying to get enough inventory to move the needle here at Grossman. If you take a look at our inventory in vAuto its pretty quick to see we have the process down in as far as aging, pricing to market etc. Its also pretty easy to see that at over 12 turns a year with business the way it is and being January in Minnesota we are at a severe lack of product.

We have been racking our brains on how we can tick the number of units up to 130-150 to see how it can help our volume and consequently gross. The new car business makes it very difficult to get the number of trades we used to experience and buying cars just for the sake of buying cars is certainly not the answer either.

Any suggestions on how we could get the 30-50 additional cars we need would be appreciated, I value your experience and expertise Dale.

My response:

Thanks for your note and welcome to the elite class of used car managers who understand that the true value of the used vehicle isn’t determined by the “herd mentality” in the auction lane.  Let’s start with an understanding as to why you and some other smart managers are finding it difficult to buy vehicles.  It’s not because the cars aren’t available at the auction, it’s because you know something that the herd doesn’t.  You know the retail market and they don’t.  They continue to believe that what a vehicle will bring at retail is driven by what they are willing to pay wholesale. This is an outdated and erroneous assumption.  You know the retail market as a result of managing your business over the last year according to the vAuto philosophy. 

When the herd is willing to pay $13,000 for ‘08 Impala’s I refuse to believe that they are worth it until I see those vehicles selling at retail for $15,000.  I can’t see any signs in our current economy that suggests that retail consumers will be flocking to car dealerships.  In fact, news reports suggest that fewer and fewer consumers will be buying vehicles in the coming 6 months, both new and used.  As a result, I’m fairly certain that those dealers that have paid high prices in the last few weeks will find themselves with inventory that will be hard to move.  As many dealers tend to do, they’ll refuse to address their mistakes in a timely fashion and these vehicles will depreciate as they age.  In my opinion, this will spell trouble that will surface in just a few months. 

Already, I think that we’re beginning to see signs of softening in the wholesale marketplace.  Smart buyers are reporting that if they just wait until the afternoon, they can buy the same vehicles in the lane for thousands less than they were bringing earlier that day.  In other words, I think that guys came back from the holidays with an empty belly and big appetite and now they are going to take a rest and try and digest what they’ve consumed.  I believe that you have been wise in exercising restraint, and now in the coming weeks you should find it a bit easier to acquire merchandise at a sensible price.  Please continue to be patient, pick and choose your spots and buy lightly for the time being.  Remember the fundamentals that high wholesale prices cannot continue unless it is based on strong retail demand.  I believe that the coming weeks and months will prove out this fact.

  • Dennis Cardinale
    Has there ever been a better time to mine your data base and gear up for a direct mail campaign to your customers who purchased 3 years ago and entice them to trade-in their current vehicle?
    Don't forget there is no transportation fee, auction fee, or buyer fee on a trade-in and they are quite possibly CHEAPER than an auction purchased vehicle at todays prices-even after a generous allowance (not to mention moving the new car!)
  • The new car industry is in a DEPRESSION, not a recession.

    Question:
    Can any one put a finger on when & how this new reduced sales rate in the new car sales volume, will impact the price and availability of almost new Used Cars?

    Is it possible that the aging problem that we all are so use to will stop, or even reverse as the used market passes thru this 2008-2009 new car sales DEPRESSION.

    I'd like to hear some opinions.
    Joe
  • What a set up for a whip saw. Picture this:

    Price for used units’ crater 60+ days ago, the brave ones step in and buy units and flip them while everyone else is sitting on ice.

    The brave ones easily under cut all their competitors and still make a lot of cheese. Our beloved industry is famous for having a lot of ivory tower decision makers and these poor bastards are far enough removed from the battle field that they get their "here say" news late. Then these ivory tower guys need to hear the story multiple times before they react.

    By the time Mr. Ivory Tower pulls the trigger the market has re-flated just in time to command his minions to fill the shelves with used units because that’s where the future is.
  • Bill Derby
    Again I have to agree with the Joe P. Rumor floating around at Southern AA today was the used market is stronger on the left coast and some manufacturers (Nissan was named) are planning on shiping out west to fill the demand. Even though I have seen wholesale prices creeping into the retail NADA range here. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

    I will say that Feb 17 will be a day of infamy for Chrysler if they don't catch the next round. There is a pent up need for fresh inventory but until Chrysler hits a 100% sale rate I will continue to be patient. I cannot believe prices will continue especially for SUVs and Trucks with gas creeping back up and Spring around the corner. I would hate to be sitting on a bunch of this stuff when the you know what hits the fan because it is going to be a blood bath..
  • I agree with Dale's finding that there is a gigantic supply of units on the sidelines ready to flood the market. I commute past the overflow yards for an ADESA auction here in NY and it's still packed to the rafters.

    But, I love a good debate. I've lobbied that there is a large pent-up retail demand looking for a reason to come out of the fox hole. Here's the demand side of the debate from my desk.

    We have 6+ months of buyers deferring new car purchases AND these shoppers are stepping down into used units, PLUS, we're 45 days into under $2 gasoline, PLUS the Holidays were another reason to defer buying. Add to that, new car dealers all coming to realize that the used market is their salvation, and there you have it, one hell of a spike in used car prices.

    I am curious, where are the sellers at wholesale? Why aren't they totally attacking this demand spike with their supply? Is there a bottle neck at the auctions that limits their ability to dump more supply into the markets?

    While the dance at the auctions play out, Will retail demand remain? My hard working AutoTrader.com rep Lucinda just sent me a PR that fits this debate:

    >>>...On Saturday, January 24, 2009, AutoTrader.com reached its highest number of Page Views, Sessions and Unique Visitors on a Saturday. On Sunday, January 25, 2009, AutoTrader.com reached its highest number of Page Views on a Sunday. The site also hit over 900,000 Unique Visitors on Monday, January 26, 2009 for the first time since May 2008.<<<

    This is a great set up for Used Car Retailing. We see signs of strong retail demand and a deep supply, waiting in the wings. Right now, as strange as this sounds, we NEED that supply to hit wholesale NOW. High retail prices will dampen sales and rain on our party.

    The million dollar question is; are the sellers at wholesale more disciplined than we give them credit for? And when will this supply find its way into the lanes? They had better aggressively sell into this rally before GM and Chrysler run out of TARP funds and CEO parade before congress begins again. The Bankruptcy debate gets more serious as time moves forward.

    In the end, there are too many "balls in the air" to out fox this market. IMO, if you're forced to buy some units to keep your shelves full, buy only a facing and treat these new arrivals like aged units from day one and flip 'em fast!

    Joe
  • Superfoot
    There is another facet in this market and that is financing. After Buying and reconditioning the majority of these units, especially SUV's and Trucks, are well over Clean Trade and it isn't getting any easier to find banks to finance even 100% of clean trade. How many of us have had the gross disappear when you couldn't get it bought?
  • Joe,
    Good advice as always. I agree it seems like the supply of vehicles is below the demand (wholesale) currently. We have been selling a large number of used vehicles, however the retail market seems to be very price driven. I believe until the consumer confidence comes back completly that the "new" wholesale price will not reflect the current retail market and buying will become easier again. This year is going to present various inventory challenges as always, but I am certain that buying smart and paying closer attention to the retail market is the intelligent play.
  • Hi all,

    I was a self employed trader for nearly a decade; it never ceases to amaze me how closely the life a used car manager is vs. a Wall Street Stock trader.

    A stock trader and a used car manager are money managers, defending your most precious asset... cash.

    You pay the rent by surfing through data and then go to market with the intent to purchase a car (stock) with one aim in mind, to sell it for a profit. Simple, yet so damned difficult.

    I am looking at our market and let me talk like a trader.

    I think we all agree we're in a BEAR MARKET. Bear markets REWARD sellers and punish UNDICIPLINED BUYERS. Right here and now, in Dale's view of the world, we're in what's called a "Bear Trap".

    A Bear Trap is a very emotional place where traders who are sitting in cash and want to go long (i.e. buy cars) witnessed a major bounce in prices and take it as a signal that the worst has past and the Bear Market has finally passed and that this bounce in price is a strong signal that good times are ahead.

    Sound familiar?
    Traders and Used car Managers can get whip sawed by buying this bounce too aggressively. Discipline is a traders 2nd best friend, second only to cash.

    Take a look at a post I made in Dale's blog last year (link below) and see if this ol' Trader's advice fits the moment:

    ...IF THE TREND IS DOWN (used car market is in doubt)

    #1). *Buy Side. Patience, Patience, Patience. Buying below market is far easier, so don’t chase units at auction, we’ll buy it for less soon enough.

    #2). *Sell Side. Age is the enemy of margins, in this selling environment; operations have to be razor sharp. Take the short deal…. CASH IS KING.

    *Buy Side = all the efforts & techniques related to acquiring inventory.

    *Sell Side = all the efforts & techniques related to selling inventory.



    Manheim’s Used Vehicle Index vs S&P500:
    http://www.dalepollak.com/2008/10/14/manheims-u...


    A Trader's Best Friends
    -Cash
    -Dicipline
    -Research
    -Experince

    One last word... Trading stocks and Buying cars is not a battle, it's a war. You can loose a battle by not having enough inventory, but you WILL NOT loose the war. On the other hand, you can loose the war with too much inventory.

    We're in a Bear Market, think DEFENSE!

    Are we having fun yet??
    Joe
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